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Gay Marriage Ruling Seen As Unlikely To End Debate
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Roberts Blows Gay Marriage - The American Spectator
A federalist take on the two cases before the Supreme Court would have been to strike down both the Defense of Marriage Act and the Ninth Circuit's overturning the decision on California's Prop 8 (which banned gay ...
What do you think the next move for opponents of gay marriage will be if Prop 8 ultimately fails?
So, the presumption right now is that Prop 8 passed, insomuch that its got the majority of the vote. However, there are still two "outs" that could cause it to fail.
The first and most obvious is that the absentee vote could contain enough "no" votes to keep it from ending up with a majority vote (which is unlikely, but not impossible).
The second way it could fail hinges on a subtle distinction California law makes between a constitutional amendment, and a constitutional revision.
According to the California Supreme Court, a constitutional amendment "implies such an addition or change within the lines of the original instrument as will effect an improvement, or better carry out the purpose for which it was framed". On the other hand, in California the "revision/amendment analysis has a dual aspect, requiring us to examine both the quantitative and qualitative effects of the measure on our constitutional scheme. Substantial changes in either respect could amount to a revision." Its also been found in California law "even a relatively simple enactment may accomplish such far reaching changes in the nature of our basic governmental plan as to amount to a revision also."
While amendments to the California Constitution require only a simple majority to pass, constitutional revisions require a 2/3 majority.
The California Supreme Court found last summer the California Constitution is intended to extend equal rights to all its citizens, and that marriage is one of the fundamental rights it guarantees (their finding is one of the cruxes of the objection made by the people who supported Proposition 8).
To make a long story short, the same supreme court which found the California Constitution protects the rights of same-sex couples to marry could also potentially invalidate Proposition 8 based on the idea its contrary to the intention of the California constitution, and is therefore a failed revision, not a successful amendment.
The ACLU and gay rights groups have already begun the process to have the proposition invalidated on those grounds.
If one of those two things happens and Proposition 8 is subsequently struck down, what do you think the next move for opponents of same-sex marriage will be?
Before the question arises, I asked this question in R&S because over in the politics section not a single person braved it far enough to give an opinion on it (being the politics section, youd think someone would have at least equivocated on it). The R&S section contains more people who are committed, or at the very least more people who should be.
To quote Winston Churchill:
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."
Answer: I counter the premise of your question, only because I believe that Prop 8 is going to pass, and that we, as gay rights activists and advocates, are going to have to find another way to convince our fearful straight counterparts that we homosexuals are not bogeymen out to make people gay or to invade the sanctity of heterosexual marriages.
I think that the success of Prop 8 is evidence of our failures to properly represent ourselves and our failures in convincing people that we mean no harm. Some of the anti-Prop-8 commercials were very provocative, and even a bit offensive. In a time when Obama was winning by going positive, I think the gay-rights movement could have benefited by following in kind.
But you ask what the next move will be for gay-rights opponents if Prop 8 fails, so let me try to answer your actual question.
I honestly do not know. You'd probably need to look at Connecticut and Massachusetts to see what is going on there with the anti-gay rights movements, in order to get an idea. I have great suspicion, however, that at least in Massachusetts, a lot of the social-conservative movements are losing traction, given that in the last 5 years, they've legalized gay marriage, socialized health care and now decriminalized marijuana possession (under 1 ounce).
My thinking is that the trick to appeasing all groups is going to be to change the language. I think that in the next 50 years, we're going to see "marriage" become equivalent with a religious-sanctioned union of x-number of people of x-gender-distribution, as per the requirements of whichever religious institution is performing the ceremony. That is to say, I believe that "marriage" will become a strictly religious concept. It will essentially become a meaningless term with regard to legal recognition and associated rights (currently 1,138 privileged rights ascribed to married couples at the federal level).
Civil unions, like those allowed in Vermont, will become the new legally recognized union between 2 people (probably just 2, because unions of more than 2 are potentially able to use business law - establishing L.L.C.'s for example - in order to get legal recognition for their relationships), regardless of gender. I think this is going to happen, because you're going to see governments wanting to divorce themselves from the religious rhetoric that is exclusively dominating the anti-gay rights movements, and wanting to serve populations in a secular way that is consistent with their civic mandates.
Civil rights movements take time, and historically they've taken a very long time, but I honestly think this particular movement is going to reach its zenith in the next decade and wind down in the decade following that. We live in a global society that is rapidly changing in favor of civil rights. People in Little Rock, Arkansas, can't presume that the rest of the world thinks like them or that their beliefs will forever remain unchallenged like they could 100 years ago. Just because they made a terrible decision yesterday doesn't mean that it's going to be allowed to stand in 2 years.
The situation with Prop 8 is a price we've had to pay in getting out the vote for Obama. A lot of the people who have been oppressed in generations past, and came out to vote yesterday in order to symbolically end their oppression are unable to see the connections between their own fight for civil liberties and the fight of their fellow GLBT humans. It's part of the psychology of the oppressed that they tend to become oppressors themselves, or at least sit idly by as other groups are oppressed. It's not good, but it's a reality of the human psyche as far as we know.
It's really depressing and demoralizing to know this... and to see anti-gay rights measures passing in Florida, Arizona, Arkansas and California all in the same day that our nation's first black president was also elected makes the contrast especially jarring. It's terrible. But it's not the end of the story. We, as a civil society, will always move toward greater liberties for our citizens, provided those liberties do not harm or infringe upon the rights of others. It's just the most ethical way we can move, and as long as there are thinking people, we will continue to move in that direction.
There will be setbacks and obstacles along the way, yesterday tossing up several... but ultimately, we will shall all veer toward freedom for all.
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President Barack Obama said he "applauded" the win for gay rights, as did the ... for same-sex marriage to resume in California, saying it could not take up the case ... Windsor had challenged DOMA in court after she was billed $363,000 in ...
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PROMISES, PROMISES: Gay rights - The Big Story - Associated Press
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The 0we-Blama admin has spent NOTHING on "Interplanetary Defense"! Why is he setting us up for Invasion?
0we-BlahBlah, the Marxist Messiah, has left our planet Earth wide open for any alien invasion to just glide in and install an intergalactic XenoSocialist haven where our human rights are ignored, we will all be probed at will, and you know where Probing is public policy then Gay Marriage will soon follow!
Just follow this chain of events!!!
1st...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2091996/Newt-Gingrich-promises-permanent-US-base-moon-hes-elected.html Newt Gingrich promised a permanent lunar base if elected, and the Socialist Left sabotaged his campaign.
NEXT... Obama personally goes to NASA and bans any more manned space flights by slashing the budget... clearly so that nobody can give advanced warning of the invading fleet. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/31/AR2010013101058.html
THEN... The 0blamah campaign spends 250 million dollars to produce and market "The Dark Knight Rises", priming an MK-ULTRA operative by the name of James Holmes (code name Joker) to storm the theater and create a media frenzy to justify total gun control, and decrease sympathy for the 1% who lovingly give us jobs and rainbows and sunshine and all they ask in return is just a teensy weensy fewer taxes to pay and laws to abide by...http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/367020/20120726/james-holmes-court-colorado-shooting-barack-obama.htm
And last, a Poll is released asking the American public who they would trust in the "unlikely event" of an ALIEN INVASION, of course doctoring the results as if he would come out ahead over Romney, an observant Mormon who obviously knows far more about interplanetary diplomacy...http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/27/entertainment/la-et-st-obama-alien-invasion-20120627. lulling us all into a False sense of security when the skies turn black with the FIRST WAVE INVASION FLEET!!
And dont even get me started on the Birth Certificate >cough cough forgery<
We all know he hates America, but the whole planet? Did you know this? Of course not. It takes a razor sharp Conservative mind to put these pieces together.... it all fits...
What can we do about this???
Answer: I think we are all going to have to keep an eye on this and people like yourself to keep us informed.
Category: Politics
US Supreme Court poised to rule on gay marriage - Rappler
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Windsor had challenged DOMA in court after she was billed $363,000 in estate ... President Barack Obama said he "applauded" the win for gay rights, as did the ... for same-sex marriage to resume in California, saying it could not take up the ...